by Sam Cohen
There are certain musical experiences you feel like you’ll never be able to replicate—until, one day, you do. When I pressed play on One Outta Ten’s latest album Better Days, I had the loveliest feeling of being transported backward through time. I was no longer the 32-year-old version of myself sitting in my apartment listening to this album. Instead, I was the 13-year-old version of myself sitting in a different apartment, cross-legged on my teenage bed, listening to Jimmy Eat World for the first time. Better Days gave me the exact same emotional reaction that hearing Bleed American did, which is just one of many reasons why I loved One Outta Ten from the beginning.
As I got to know Tyler Lofftus and Joshua de Leon through our conversation, the love I had for their band deepened. The level of kindness, care, and empathy they exuded was genuine. I could tell, as I listened to them speak about the enormously difficult circumstances that surrounded the creation of this album, that they were deeply passionate about the music they make. As a group, they’re always ready to try new things—to blend genres, to step out of time, to speak honestly in their lyrics.
It’s this honesty and ingenuity that drives One Outta Ten, and it’s these traits that will ultimately propel them to new heights steadily over time.
I usually like to start my interviews with a fun question: What are some of your favorite anime?
Tyler Lofftus: If we're going obscure, there's only a short run of it, but I really like the Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, which is this anime that follows an android, and it's basically like a post-apocalyptic slice of life where people are just relaxing and trying to make the most of the end world, which is relatable.
Josh de Leon: I love Steins;Gate quite a bit. I was at my cousin's house and she was watching Vinland Saga, and I love how maturely they handled everything in that. So, those two for sure. Obviously I love Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. That's a classic.
I’ll take the suggestions! I was really into anime growing up and then fell out of it and have recently been getting back into it. I started with Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and I was crying every episode [all laugh] and I paused it. I think I'm 30 episodes in and decided to jump into something else. So then I watched Jujutsu Kaisen and that took over my life. I'll jump back into Fullmetal Alchemist at some point, though.
Tyler: People are always like, “Oh, what's the first anime I should start with?” And a lot of people say Fullmetal. That's like watching Citizen Kane for your first movie. That's your first album being “Harvest” by Neil Young. It doesn't get better than that. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
[laughs] I love that. To dive into the band, I'd love to hear more about the formation of One Outta Ten. I know you guys came together in 2017, but take me through that initial conversation. Did one of you propose the idea of starting a band and it rippled out from there?
Josh: It really started when Dave and I started jamming together. At first I wanted to play drums and David wanted to play guitar, but it turns out we were really bad at those, so we switched. And David has a pretty good built-in metronome. It was just us doing Beatles covers in the garage with our dad on bass. One of the first shows we played was for my grandma's 75th birthday at an event space and we played “Birthday” by the Beatles. Then I think around eighth grade, our friend James and former bassist of the band, showed me the Arctic Monkeys for the first time, and I was like, “Wow, this is the peak of music.” And it was early Arctic Monkeys stuff, so it was really good.
Tyler: We have Arctic Monkeys opinions. Don't get us started. [all laugh]
I do too, honestly. They used to be my favorite band. So, anytime we want to dive into that, we can do that.
Josh: Oh, get your questions ready, man. [laughs]. And then after that we just started doing Arctic Monkeys covers. Tyler joined the band around probably my freshman year and Tyler's sophomore year. And we just did covers for most of our high school years. I don't know when we started writing, do you Tyler?
Tyler: I think it was after you went to college. I remember you sending a bunch of songs and I was like, “Wow, Josh is writing some crazy songs. These are pretty good.”
Josh: We played throughout college and we had some baby songs written, but I don't think we started really writing as a band until 2020 during COVID. And James moved to Texas, so we needed a bassist, so Mark filled in and we added Dustin on keyboard, and we started really writing and that was our first two albums. And then Dustin left the band, and so now we have JT full-time on keys, and he also plays guitar and sings, and I think this is the most cohesive and collaborative the band has ever been in terms of musicianship. And we really do push each other, too. We wrote a song two days ago and I was like, “This is one of the coolest things we’ve done together.”
Tyler: It was a lot of fun. We had some lyrics down, but we were pitching different alterations for lyrics. We were altering little parts and giving suggestions.
Is it always a collaborative process, where you all work on everything at the same time?
Tyler: It depends. Sometimes I'll come with a demo, or Josh will come with a mostly recorded demo, and we'll adjust our parts to our own taste or pitch different ideas. And sometimes it starts off as a jam and then we've got this jam that kind of sounds like a Wilco song. What are we going to do with that? Somebody will be like, “I'll take a pass at the lyrics, we'll see where we get here.”
Josh: I feel like I can come with a mostly full song and then everyone uses that and it becomes a completely different song and usually for the better, to be honest. It's crazy how I'll have a thing of how I wanted a song to sound, even down to the drum parts, even down to the other guys playing their guitar parts, and suddenly it takes on a whole new life and it's better than what I had envisioned for it. I have control problems. So being able to let go of that and allow people to help me grow also feels like a really cool experiment that helps me care less.
I’m very much the same way. But it seems like it's working well for you guys and you're finding a nice balance when it comes to making the music. One of the things I love about One Outta Ten is how you blend genres, sometimes a few within one song. When you’re jamming or putting a song together, do you know what you want the music to sound like? Or has it been trial and error to get to where you are now?
Tyler: I feel like we all come from very different places musically. Me and Josh are probably closer than the others, but I feel like with the collaborative space we have, people are bringing different references in their own minds to what we're playing. So, sometimes we'll get a little bit more ska influence than what me or Josh would bring to something. Or JT will bring a little extra soul or gospel to something, or even more like an emo tinge to something than we would. And we're like, “That's not something we've done before. Let's go with that.” Everyone has the space to have their voice heard. And I think also with the breadth of this last album, Better Days, and what we're cooking up for the next one, with us now having three vocalists, it’s fun having this rock and roll boy band vibe where everybody has their own space. We have our own songs, but everybody's still working on the same songs so it doesn't sound like it's three different bands. It sounds like three different friends in the same band.
Josh: I don't think I could write the way JT or Tyler do. They have such different voices, and I love to hear that come across. For “Down and Out,” I made the instrumentals originally, but there's something about Tyler’s writing there, and JT’s keyboards really add such a different thing other than making it a straightforward indie rock band. There's a lot of depth there in the studio version of it. And this next thing we're making, it's not going to sound at all like Better Days. It's going to be pretty cool to see how that transforms and grows and pushes us to be different songwriters. Tyler and I have the most similar background for music. And my brother Dave, who's the drummer, he’s pretty close in that realm, too. We all grew up listening to Dad Rock, but it's cool to see Tyler's very, very eclectic music taste. And Mark actually played in high school…what did he play?
Tyler: Baritone sax.
Josh: Baritone sax for jazz band. And he was able to do all sorts of crazy stuff, play in other places that I've never even dreamt of. And he likes big band music, but he also likes ska music, which I guess there's some crossover because of the brass sections. JT grew up playing in his church, and his dad was a musician as well. So, he's always been really into piano and sort of more gospel-y music. My brother has the music taste of a 55-year-old white man, so that's cool.
Tyler: The drums are the perfect place for that.
Josh: Yeah, man, seriously. We don't have to worry about guitar boomer bands or anything like that.
Tyler: We just get cool big ‘70s drums.
Josh: But David, he's actually got quite a bit of range for music tastes. His favorite drummer is Neil Peart from Rush. He loves John Bonham from Led Zeppelin. But he's really been into Jeff Porcaro from Toto recently. So, we're probably going to introduce shuffles in the next album.
Tyler: We've added a lot of shuffles into live versions of songs before where they do and don't belong. That's always fun.
It's good that you're open to experimenting and letting the music take you wherever it's going to take you, and not keeping yourselves boxed into any particular genre or sound.
Josh: I think a big strength of ours. I don't want to be pigeonholed into one thing because you get artists who sound like that and that's their thing and that sounds cool. But I can't grow unless I change things, not just musically, but as a person. And it feels good that the other guys are comfortable with being uncomfortable, too.
It’s good when you go outside of your comfort zone and realize you can do it and make it work, but I think it's easier to do that when you’re in it together and you have that built-in support system where you're all committed to being uncomfortable and figuring out where to go from there.
Josh: Yeah, I think it helps me process life in general to be able to write these things, and everyone is so supportive of it. It’s been a rough last year for everyone in the band, so we all know exactly how we're feeling, and we can voice that with each other. It feels like I've been making music with these guys for my whole life, even though JT joined the band a year and a half ago, but it feels so easy and the chemistry's there. I wouldn't want to do this with anyone else.
That's such a good place to be able to approach it from, in general, but especially coming off of such a difficult year. When you were in the process of putting this collection together, did you have any reservations about being so open with your grief and your experiences? Or did it feel like something you had to do no matter what?
Josh: I felt like I had to do it, but it also was pretty much because one of the closest people to me died. My dad passed away and he was our biggest supporter. So, sorry guys, but Number One fan spot is already taken. I would send him demos of our stuff and he'd be like, “Oh, this is so good.” He was such a great dad, and he really loved to know that his sons were musicians and they had all these good people around 'em. And before, I felt like I was apprehensive in my songwriting, but even to an extent, the first two albums to me feel like that's a completely different person than who I am today. And I feel like this is the most true thing that we've ever put out. It feels like showing our most genuine self. And to me, if that's not beautiful, I don't know what is. It feels good to let people know because we're not the only people who've gone through these things, and I feel like it's a shared human experience. Ty, do you have anything you want to say?
Tyler: Yeah, I lost my grandma a few months ago, before the album came out. And she had cancer for a while, so while Josh and everyone else was going through it, it was this big question mark in my mind. So, while we were working on these songs, I definitely felt like we were all going through it together. A lot of the songs we had that are on this new album, we had demos for before anything happened. And a lot of Better Days was originally about us getting all of our equipment stolen and we were like, “Okay, but better days are coming. They're still on the way.” So, going into this very traumatic event, we had a bunch of music that we repurposed. We gave Josh space to write exactly what he needed to write.
When he came back to us, I kept my notes brief and respectful, and only what I thought would really, really push it over to what it needed to be. With the song “Forever,” which was originally just going to be an interlude on the album—it was a song that I wrote in my bedroom. And throughout the course of One Outta Ten, especially through college, I'd have these little bedroom songs that I'd write by myself and I'd be like, “There's no real place for this in the band.” But I sent this one to our group chat, because I knew we were all going through it, and Josh was immediately like, “We need this on the album. We’ve got to figure something out for it, make it a little bigger.” Because we love recurring riffs, we love taking stuff from one song and putting it into the other. We love doing extended jams and callbacks during those extended jams and stuff like that. So, he was like, “Why don't we put the big ending of “Better Days” and do a smaller version for that at the end of “Forever,” right at the midpoint of the album?” And I wrote some lyrics for it before we changed what the song is about. So, I could probably put those there too.
We were all going through it. We were all there for each other in our personal lives, too. We are all friends who hang out outside of the band. And through that time, music was the one thing we could all do together. It was a reason to not be alone. It was a reason to think about things that might not be fun to think about. And also, once you have something like you were saying before, once you have something like that, you can let it go. You can't let go of something you don't have. So, I think we all feel like a big weight off having this album out so we can play it and then we can write some new songs that maybe aren't necessarily about this and keep that going.
I'm so sorry for both of your losses. You guys being able to turn that into art is such a beautiful thing. Being open about your grief, even just to me, or talking to each other about it, is so important because the only way we survive grief is by going through it together and not feeling like you have to do that alone. Even though your grief is so specific to you and the person you lost, it's still a universal thing we all understand. It's great that you’re channeling that through the music and that you're speaking so openly about it as well. I think that's going to help a lot of people.
Tyler: I hope it does. It’s exactly like you said, it is such a specific thing, but it's also so universal. Everyone at some point goes through it, and whether you see it coming or you’re taken off guard by it, those are just different sets of circumstances and challenges. It's not easier one way or the other.
That's very true. Bearing all that in mind, from recording this album to releasing it, has it been cathartic for all of you? Has it felt like a release in a way?
Josh: I feel like it's a celebration. It feels good to know our hard work has paid off, but we also get to celebrate the people who we're writing the songs about. It's grief, it's love, it's celebration, it's sadness, it's deep depression, it's despair. But first and foremost, it feels happy to me. It feels good to get it out.
Tyler: It’s definitely the biggest thing we've ever done. The first two albums—in my head, the first two albums are a single, double album—but those were so many scattered ideas and feelings we had throughout quarantine and COVID that, when they finally all came together we were like, “These are all the things that we've done. This is our whole lives and how we've been feeling.” And then we started going out and doing stuff again after quarantine, and we felt like now we were adults. This is the real world. What's next? For me, this album was always going to be the “What's next?” album. We didn't know that this was what's next, but it was. And I feel like we all grew up, not just over the last couple of years, but emotionally doing things I know I wouldn't have the strength to do or withstand a couple years ago.
Speaking of grief and having this beautiful portrayal of that on this album, and the love and celebration within that, you're coupling those emotions with some really infectious instrumentals and melodies, so it doesn't necessarily feel heavy. Was that a conscious decision? Or was that how you melded the two things—the grief and the celebration?
Josh: I think the most really apparent use of that is “SCREAM!!!,” which could be a straightforward rock song—if you listen to it once and don't listen to the lyrics at all, it's got a great riff. And Tyler does some crazy stuff on the back end of that. His guitar is dripping in reverb, and Mark has a bass solo. Dave gets a drum break. But then if you listen to it again, there's some pretty heavy, very specific lyrics there pertaining to the weeks after my dad died. I think what was going on was a lot of trauma. I didn't know how to do it all. My whole family was over all the time. All my friends were over making sure we were okay. So, it was jarring to me because I was seeing all these people and they were so happy to see me. And we had great food the entire time. Everyone was cooking Filipino food, we were getting tipsy every night, drinking my dad's favorite whiskey, watching good movies, watching crazy movies that were my dad's favorites. And it was such a great thing to see all my favorite people in one room… except for my dad.
And I feel like “SCREAM!!!” was a culmination of that. I had been writing it for a while. I had the guitar riff down and a very basic outline of it, but I didn’t know what the song was going to be about. And then maybe a couple of weeks later, my girlfriend and I were hanging out in my room after everyone had left, and I had this vocal line stuck in my head, which ended up being the chorus for it. And I remember saying, “And the love is blooming, all-consuming,” something. And I was like, “I’ve got to figure out what to put that in.” And then it ended up being a big part of the song. Then, in the days after my dad died, Southern California had an earthquake and a hurricane passing through.
Tyler: Not to cut you off, but I remember going over the day after Hurricane Hillary, and it was like the streets were flooded. It was really coming down. It was like, “This is weird. This is not how the world usually is.” And I was coming over with Jamie, our former bassist, we got some flowers and headed over there, and we got in, e sat down, and I think very shortly after we got there, there was an earthquake and we were like, “What the fuck is going on? It's the end of the world. This doesn't feel right.” I've been to a lot of family parties at the De Leon house, and the strangest part about that first day was…it felt like Josh's dad was just upstairs, and we were just waiting for him to come down. And I feel like it took a while for it to really sink in as that's part of grief. Even a few months after my grandma passed, when something happens, it's like, “Oh, I can't tell this person about this thing.” And it's so strange that things keep happening, but I think particularly with our song “SCREAM!!!,” it's about how strange that little slice of time right after something traumatic happens is because good things can still happen. And I feel like screaming is maybe not a healthy way of grounding yourself, but it is a way of grounding yourself and showing yourself that something is real.
Josh: I think my dad would've really liked that song. The extended outro is kind of like…I wanted to write a song that felt like it wouldn't end, so he could keep listening to it.
Tyler: To answer the original question, which I'm making a point to remember, I feel like part of the difference between the music and the lyrics partially came from the fact that we had some of those songs written before and we repurposed them. And I feel like some people enjoy a sad downer album—I know I do... But I think that there's something that's really cool about not making your sad songs necessarily sound that sad, especially for us, because we have to play them.
Tyler: But also other people have to listen to it, too. And I know we do have slower songs on the album, and those are the ones that are definitely harder to play live. We will still play “One Long Fog,” and we're still planning on playing Better Days a few times, but moving forward, it's going to be harder to find a place in our set list for those for sure. But a “SCREAM!!!,” I don't know if we'll ever stop playing that song. I think that it came partially out of necessity, but we wouldn't have kept with it if it wasn't working and it was working.
That sounds incredible. There were so many things that both of you were saying that I was trying to keep in my mental catalog. But it really is such a beautiful representation of all the different stages of grief and how you can experience joy amid the sadness. And, like you're saying, even that first day is such a strange, surreal thing to be like, “Oh, I'm happy to see these people and be surrounded by love, but we're here for such a difficult reason.” And I think that song completely captures that. I also love that sentiment of you not wanting it to end because you don't want your time with this person to end. You don't want the experience to end, but you have to come to terms with that and face that head-on, which you do through the song as well. And now I gotta ask: What weird movies does your dad like?
Josh: So there's this Japanese movie called Shall We Dance? They remade it for American audiences and based on the cast alone, I was like, “This looks terrible.” I can't name them off the top of my head. Tyler, I need you to look this up for me right now. I just remember being like, “Why would he be cast in this movie?” But it's all about a Japanese man who has a midlife crisis and it feels like he's searching for something. And what he turns to is ballroom dancing. And it turns out to be such a beautiful thing and it's a great movie. Highly recommend it.
Tyler: So, the remake stars Richard Gere.
Josh: Richard Gere! So weird. I mean, I guess he's a leading man.
Tyler: I guess he was in 2004. [all laugh]
Josh: We would flip-flop between watching a movie like that and Mad Max: Fury Road because he was such a dad. He loved movies that were deep and touching and really saying something about the human condition. And then he loved Mad Max. He was a really great dude who had a great taste in movies. An absolute dad.
I love that. Tyler, what were some of your grandmother's favorite movies?
Tyler: I grew up in their house, kind of a big family situation, so she was really a second mother to me. I split time between my mom and my dad growing up, but my grandma, because we were closer to my school, would make my lunches for me, and every Saturday we'd watch a movie. She was a big fan of whodunits. Knives Out was a big hit for her. I have a lot of memories of watching movies with my grandparents together. And my grandpa's a big fan of musicals, but his favorite movie is The Bridge on the River Kwai, which I just watched with him for the first time a couple weeks ago.
It sounds like you both have some really fond memories of watching movies with your loved ones. To shift gears a bit, you’re vocal allies of so many marginalized groups, and you really care about building that into your fan base. How do you create these safe spaces for self-expression at your shows, and through your fan base in general?
Josh: I feel like the best way to do that is to treat people like fucking human beings. Some people don't do that, which is crazy. So many members of my family are part of LGTBQ+ groups. I feel like I hadn't been properly exposed to the world at large until college, so it's cool to grow as a person and realize it's not just me, who's a straight brown dude, who exists. And the members of our band are very open and forward-thinking. I feel like we don't struggle with identity because we’re so good at making sure we talk to each other about stuff. I look up to people who we use their platform as a way to be an ally. Me and Tyler love Jeff Rosenstock. He really lives this shit. And he loves all his fans regardless of gender, regardless of sexual orientation. And he does a really good job at making sure everyone knows it, and says that this place is a safe space at his shows. And he's super, super biased against police brutality.
Tyler: To add to that a little bit, I went to a very small Christian private school right down the street from me. And from there I went to a public middle school with completely new people. All of my friends went to one school district, I went to the other, and little seventh-grade me met my first atheist. Then my first friend came out as bisexual in eighth grade. And I remember having this switch-flipping moment being like, “Why am I being told to feel weird about my friends?”
Josh: You wouldn't feel differently about them. You shouldn't feel differently about 'em. We live in a world where we're exposed to so many different things. How you live is not necessarily how someone else would live, and you should be respectful of it as long as it doesn't hurt any other person. Our fans take many shapes and forms, and that's beautiful.
I relate to so much of what you guys are saying. Growing up, my mom was always like, “We’re kind to everyone, it doesn't matter what anyone looks like or their sexuality or their gender or race. You're kind to everyone. That's the way it is.”
Tyler: Not to get on a political rant, but it's the shit they know the least about. But I was also very lucky my freshman year of college and you could choose what kind of literature you're going to be learning all your fundamental English courses in. And I ended up going with the queer studies class, and the professor I had was the best professor I had at any point in college. He was so fucking cool. And it was the next step in me taking things seriously and educating myself on experiences that are not my own and getting some basic theory on it. And I went to CSUN for film and he taught a film class, and he was like, “Hey, take the class.” And I told him that I didn't have the prereqs for that, but he let me take the class anyway. So, I got a big foundation through queer cinema too, and I feel very lucky to have had that. And that's circumstantial stuff that not everyone gets the opportunity to experience, but the baseline foundation is respect and kindness. And the next step is education and advocacy.
Absolutely. And I think that's the key so many people miss. It’s about education. It can be difficult to bridge the gap, but it's nice that you're able to do that by being supportive, kind people. And that permeates into your band as well.
Josh: Thank you. Yeah, we’re just a couple of nice kids from Glendale.
Tyler: We’re lucky to have that diversity in our band. We're lucky that we happen to reflect more than one experience, and that the people who listen to us also happen to reflect a lot of different experiences. I don't know what it is in particular that has created the reality we live in, but we appreciate it, and I can't imagine why someone would want to create a space where people wouldn't feel comfortable there. I want to create a space where people feel as comfortable as they can, and where they can just be themselves. That's the baseline.
That's what life is all about—to feel empowered and safe and comfortable being yourself, and then being able to exist in a space that also encourages that.
Tyler: I can understand the anxiety fans from marginalized communities have where they think, “Do the people I look up to and respect, do they mess with me? Do they hate me for who I am? Why?” I don't understand why you'd want to perpetuate that anxiety in people, because art is so important to so many people, and we see how when someone up on a pedestal falls for whatever reason, that affects fans in a big way. And you also see the toxic side of that where people will vouch for people they don't know because they like their music. And that's also not a good position to put people in. I don't want people trying to cover for me because they like me. I just want to be doing what I can, and I'm never going to be perfect, but you gotta do what you can and the least you can do is be chill with people who are just living their lives.
It's a good base level to operate on, kindness and respect, and then build it from there. I wanted to ask you one fun question to wrap up, and I did have something written down, but I'm going to completely ignore it and I'm going to let you guys duke this out instead: What is the best Arctic Monkeys album?
Josh: We’ve had this conversation so many times. We've had it at least twice in the past year. Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not.
Tyler: Interesting. I think it might be Favorite Worst Nightmare. I definitely go between the two.
Josh: Okay, let's try that again. [all laugh]
Tyler: Come on, Josh! When we were coming back up from Santa Barbara, we agreed on this.
Josh: We listened to the whole album front to back. I know, but there's something so good about the first one.
Tyler: No, there is something so special about their debut, but Favorite Worst Nightmare was my first album with them. “This House is a Circus” is the first Arctic Monkeys song I ever heard.
Josh: That's so random. [all laugh]
Tyler: I think it was just after Suck It and See came out, which is definitely not my least favorite anymore, but…
Josh: I love Suck It and See, it's so good.
Tyler: I like the album, but when AM was out, it was my least favorite album. I think I might put Tranquility Base above it. The Car is an album that exists [Sam laughs]. It came out at a weird time. I forget what was going on in my life, but I didn't listen to it a lot when it came out, so it very well could just be a personal experience thing. I liked “Mirrorball,” I liked that single. As a Tranquility Base defender, I like the whole concept. I like seeing a band mature and change. When Alex Turner's 40, I don't want to hear about him at the club with girls. So, a change is necessary. And I appreciated that in Tranquility Base. And he was doing his whole lounge singer thing, and I even saw him live at that time and it was fun seeing him play all of these songs differently. But there is magic in those first two albums. And I'm also a big fan of his solo songs that he did for Submarine. I listened to that EP so much.
I'm going to throw a wrench into all of this and say that I think Humbug is the best Arctic Monkeys album.
Josh: Yeah, it's great. I love Humbug. It influenced us. It's so good.
Tyler: It's definitely the one that has influenced our music the most. I love Humbug.
“Cornerstone” is a Top 10 favorite song for me in general, not just from them. I love that song.
Tyler: That is my dad's favorite Arctic Monkeys song. Amazing.
Josh: I love it. During that era, Alex looked so cool.
Tyler: Arctic Monkeys were such a big inspiration for us. It was literally the reason we played music together. We played music independently for our own reasons, but I mean, maybe there wouldn’t be a band if it wasn’t for Arctic Monkeys.
Is there anything else you want to say or promote before we go?
Josh: Keep streaming our album. Buy it off Bandcamp. Download it off Bandcamp. It's for free. However much you want to pay. We’re also running a Kickstarter campaign for a Better Days vinyl run, which people can contribute to here: Better Days - Vinyl Kickstarter. We also did a cool interview and performance for Soul Tape.
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